Re: Texteroids (Minor Retraction)

[Nicholas Wourms <nwourms at yahoo dot com>]

--- Alan Hourihane <alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Huh ?
> 
> libdps in the XFree86 CVS does not depend on "strict motif" at all,
> in fact it has no dependencies on motif, lesstif or anything 'tif.
> It all builds straight from the CVS - all open source.
Yes you are right for the core library, but some additional widgets
included in addon library require motif:

The source code for libdpstkXm is included with XFree86; however, as it
depends on Motif, this library is not built by default.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
> There is no DPS extension in XFree86 CVS either. Like I said the 4.1.0
> RELNOTES are wrong. Although, yes, http://dps.sourceforge.net provides
> an initial extension for XFree86. But that isn't included in our
> baseline tree.
So the release notes are wrong, I wrote this letter before I received your
clarification on that...
 
> What are you ranting about the Open Group for here ???
> 
> You seem to have really gone off at a tangent.

Why am I ranting?  Because it is highly annoying that they have forbidden
using "OpenMotif" on Cygwin/XFree86 when they know full well that
Cygwin/XFree86 is NOT Microsoft Windows, but a platform of its own that
happens to run on top of MS Windows.  In any event, if you followed the
list, some other porting projects have been hindered by the lack of
OpenMotif or full Lesstif->Motif compatibility.  As I said you can
disagree, but it is relevant to the project.  I mean pressure needs to be
put on the so-called "Open Group" to change that policy.

Cheers,
Nicholas 


> Alan.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 06:42:53AM -0700, Nicholas Wourms wrote:
> > Ok,
> > 
> > I forgot the fact that building libdps depends on "strict motif" or
> gtk
> > libs, the former not being "open source" (nor legally available for
> > windows) and the latter still being ported to cygwin by Harold.  I
> > apologize for the minor confusion, as I was still thinking in "linux
> > mode".  For the curious, please check out:
> > 
> > http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/dps.html
> > http://dps.sourceforge.net/ --> Show actual textroids screenshot in
> linux
> > http://www.gyve.org/gtkDPS/
> > 
> > <rant>
> > I do have some commentary regarding the so-called "Open Group".  There
> is
> > nothing that pisses me of more then that oxymoron of a name.  Yet
> another
> > example of academic innovation being commericialized for corporate
> greed
> > and profit (The last time I checked MIT did recieve government
> subsidies).
> >  Personally I feel like giving the "Open Group" the finger by porting
> the
> > motif sources to cygwin and providing to all interested for download. 
> > Lets face it, lesstif is nice, but it is still not there yet in terms
> of
> > full compatibility.  Frankly, the excuses used to classify cygwin as a
> > non-open source platform are splitting hairs in my opinion.  But, 
> again,
> > these are my opinions and you are free to disagree.  I just felt I
> needed
> > to release some steam about this pet peeve of mine.
> > </rant>
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Nicholas
> > --- Nicholas Wourms <nwourms@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Ummm,
> > > 
> > > Excuse me but you are wrong.  If you care to read
> > > http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/RELNOTES2.html you will notice the line
> > > that
> > > says:
> > > -initial DPS extension support
> > > If you still doubt me, then check out the xfree cvs repository:
> > > http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/dpstk/ or
> > > http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/lib/dps/
> > > 
> > > Now the $40K question is, why isn't this library being built in the
> > > cygwin
> > > distro?  Probably no one has attempted to do so, but I'm sure harold
> can
> > > tell you what changes to your hosts.dep are necessary to attempt to
> > > build
> > > it, should you decide to embark on the journey to build support in
> to
> > > your
> > > xfree.
> > > 
> > > In fact this extension has been available for use since 4.0.3, IIRC.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Nicholas
> > > --- Alan Hourihane <alanh@fairlite.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 04:00:51 +0800, Zechy Wong wrote:
> > > > > Hi, something happened when I tried to run texteroids.
> > > > > An X window was open, and when I ran texteroids a black box
> > > > > appeared briefly before disappearing.  These are the messages I
> got:
> > > > > 
> > > > > %% DPS Client Library Warning:
> > > > >    Auto-launching DPS NX agent.
> > > > > %% DPS Client Library Warning:
> > > > >    FAILED to auto-launch:
> > > > >     dpsnx.agent
> > > > > 
> > > > > texteroids: DPS is not available.
> > > > > You need an X server with the DPS extension, or a DPS NX agent.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Wonder if anyone could help?
> > > > 
> > > > That's the Adobe Display PostScript extension. It's not open
> source
> > > > so the server extension isn't in Cygwin/XFree86.
> > > > 
> > > > Basically. Tough. You can't run that app on this Xserver.
> > > > 
> > > > I know the Solaris Xsun server's have, but we don't.
> > > > 
> > > > Alan.
> > > 
> > > 
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