Re: xorg installation fails, 99% complete only

[Christopher Faylor <cgf-no-personal-reply-please at cygwin dot com>]

On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 04:31:53PM +0000, Roboco Sanchez wrote:
>The setup.exe should do the installation job properly.
>[snip]
>As for what our two develpers said, I do respect them for what they do
>for us but I wouldn't tell my users to shut up like that.  Being a
>volunteer doing things for people for free doesn't give you the right
>to do that.

Did you *read* what Bobby said about Alexander?  Why didn't you jump to
Alexander's defense if you respect him so much?

Or does being a user of free software does give someone the right to
insult a developer?  That seems pretty one-sided to me.

>You need the users and the users need you.

You somehow think that there is a flow of obligation going from me to
you?  You're very wrong.  You are benefitting from my efforts and
Alexander's efforts.  I am not benefitting from your efforts in any way.

That is not true of some users here who are capable of sending bug
reports or providing constructive feedback without pontificating.  Since
I care about cygwin, I do appreciate when people can provide feedback
without whining and without insulting the people who have donated their
time to help them.

You have no rights here.  Sorry.

>It is simple, you either do it your best or you don't do it at all.

Sorry, but that is simple-minded pap.  How can you judge what someone's
"best" is?  So, if I can't give cygwin 100% of my effort, I should just
abandon it?  Ridiculous.

>There are people who can do better or have done better as Bobby
>implied.  You should listen to what users have to say.  Not just praise
>you also have to listen to criticism.

Whining about how no one is helping you and suggesting that the old regime
did it better is not criticism.  It is complaining.  The difference should
be pretty obvious.


>All can be constructive depends on how you look at it and how
>open-minded you are.  You shouldn't tell your users to come do what
>you're doing if they think they can do better.

And, you shouldn't invent scenarios to make your point.  No one said
anything about telling users to "do what (I'm) doing".

>That reminds me of politicians in some third-world countries.  You
>should have done better in this case.

Funny, but your email reminds me a lot of a campaign speech, short on
specifics, long on emotion.

>They are not as genius as you otherwise they wouldn't be here asking
>for help.

I think you may have missed the fact that I was responding mainly
to Bobby's insult.  My message was specifically targetted to someone
with whom I've interacted for years.  I have no idea who you are or
why you take insult at a message which was not directed to you.

>In fact I even gave more information.  Like, the error points were
>different between archives from different mirror sites.

Again, you seem to be missing the fact that I was responding to Bobby,
not you.  However, since you raise the point, let me say that this
probably isn't very useful data either.  Neither setup.exe nor X are my
responsibility but I can't imagine how the fact that something dies
differently given different mirror sites would be useful data unless
you rigorously tested each mirror site and verified that this isn't
just something random.  But, that's probably just my genius talking.

Anyway, I think that's about as much as I care to respond to.

Just as an observation, no matter how right you think you are, it's hard
to see how any logical person would expect quality help from people who
they have maligned.

"You're a slimy politician who won't listen to criticism and who should
either be doing a better job or resign."

"Please help me."

Pretty funny.

Again, for the record, neither setup problems nor X problems are my
responsibility.  I just step in when I see people being personally
insulting towards one of the people who have donated their time to help
them.

cgf