Re: run.exe will not work with upgrade from 1.14.4 to 1.16.3

["Larry Hall (Cygwin-X)" <reply-to-list-only-lh at cygwin dot com>]

On 01/03/2015 03:03 AM, Laurens Blankers wrote:
> On 3-1-2015 04:48, Larry Hall (Cygwin-X) wrote:
> > But the functionality in the latest release of the xinit corrects some
> > long-standing Cygwin incompatibilities with startx, so there's
> > no benefit to turning back as a strategy.
> This is exactly why I have such hard time convincing people that using
> open source software is a good idea: "The solution is technically
> better, so if it breaks for you I don't care."

Interesting that you should gather that from my comments, since I never
said I don't care nor do I believe that the maintainer doesn't care.
Seems to me like you're attributing perceptions you've gathered from other
people and interactions in your life to me.  Please don't do that.

My point, which I will reiterate again because I think it received
overtones I wasn't conveying the first time, is that the changes made are
indeed needed and beneficial in general.  You can find evidence of this in
the email archives.  Removing the newly introduced changes means these other 
folks that expect Cygwin's X to work like it does on Linux and other
platforms will continue to be surprised, etc.  The fact that the recent
changes interfere with previous usage is an issue that needs attention for
sure but reverting, while the maintainer's call, just trades misbehaviour
in the eyes of one group for that of the other.  And the individual is
always free to revert the package version in the short-term to address
any immediate need.  So with the short-term bases covered, it makes sense
to move forward by looking and going forward.  I encourage those that want
to smooth the transition to help by trying the solutions so far and
offering feedback on what works well and what doesn't.  This is the way we
can reach a solution that addresses the concerns of both groups.

<snip>

> The best, and actually only way to move forward is to revert back to the
> behaviour of 1.3.2-1 and rethink this whole approach. Once a good
> transition plan is in place the changes can be reapplied. But it is
> obvious that I won't find a sympathetic ear to the plight of the user
> here, so I will escalate this to the main Cygwin mailing list. Hopefully
> people their actually care about user experience.

I think your point has been heard.  There's no need to take it to another
Cygwin list or reiterate it here.  Since the issue is related to the
changes in the xinit package and this is the list for X issues, you have
the right forum if you want to help work towards a smoother transition for
existing users with the xinit package.  The Cygwin main list is really
for everything but X.  Talking about X things there will likely get you
redirected back to this list.

--
Larry

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A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?

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