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Re: bash and the delete key


If I had things my way, I would encourage Microsoft to discontinue making
the transition in the wrong direction. The support of Shift+Insert,
Ctrl+Insert and Shift+Delete are so universal that I think there would be
significant protest if support was discontinued. I understand that you are
advising not to encourage use of them but notice that I responded to a
recomendation to use "Insert" instead of Shift-Insert. I am surprised that
you did not make a comment on use of plain "Insert". Also not that my reply
was for a discussion in which the Microsoft recommendation is not possible.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephan Mueller" <smueller@Exchange.Microsoft.com>
To: "Samuel" <samuel@socal.rr.com>; <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: bash and the delete key


Please note that the Ctrl-Insert/Shift-Insert/Shift-Delete keystrokes
are legacy, supported for backwards compatibility.  The modern standard
is indeed Ctrl-C/V/X.

>From "The Windows Interface Guidelines for Software Design" (covers
Windows 95 and NT! -- so you know it's not brand new :-)

"The system still supports shortcut assignments available in
earlier versions of Microsoft Windows (Alt+Backspace, Shift+Insert,
Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Delete).  You should consider supporting them (though
not documenting them) to support the transition of users."

(This is a footnote in Appendix B, which documents the standard
shortcuts - Ctrl-C/V/X among them).

As long as folks don't actually make the transition, I suspect the OS
will continue to support them, but please, let's not encourage folks to
make the transition in the wrong direction :-)

stephan();



-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel [mailto:samuel@socal.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:03 PM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: bash and the delete key


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall R Schulz" <rrschulz@cris.com>
To: <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: bash and the delete key
>
> Mapping the insert clipboard to the "Insert" key is sufficiently
> "hella-useful."


I did not pay sufficient attention to what I was doing and this reply
got sent to Randall instead of to the list, so it has been delayed a
day.

I don't use Ctrl-V to insert the clipboard; I use Shift-Insert. I use
Ctrl-Insert to copy to the clipboard and Shift-Delete to cut. These have
been standard since Windows 3.1. I learned to use them by using the
technique of remembering that Ctrl-Insert begins with "C" as in "Copy".
If these keys were used in CygWin and if a Windows user were to get in
the habit of using them in Windows then they should be able to use the
"correct" keys by habit. I have encountered very few situations in which
Ctrl-Insert does not work and in the situations it does not work I did
not even think to try using Ctrl-V. I think that one situation in which
Ctrl-Insert does not work is Adobe Acrobat (the find dialog at least)
and all others are less common; at least less commonly used by me.



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