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Re: configuring the backspace key, etc. (un-indenting doesn't work with vim)
- From: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew at DeFaria dot com>
- To: cygwin at cygwin dot com
- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:59:43 -0700
- Subject: Re: configuring the backspace key, etc. (un-indenting doesn't work with vim)
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While Andrew's tone is a bit strong/rude, I do agree.
Thanks. BTW I don't see the point is striving to be weak! To me strong
is good. Rude? Well that's your interpretation and I've long since given
up trying to control others.
The keyboard should just work. PC keyboards have been for a very long
time now.What is it in a teletype that requires that a backspace character print
out ^? and people would look at it and say "Gee that's exactly what I
wanted to see?"???
One of the "obvious problems" though is that there is never any
instant switch over from "old days" to "modern times". It is a
continuum. It is gradual. Looking backward from our "current distant
future", many things look stupid, but they only ever get there
gradually. The teletype surely died off gradually, not instantly. So
how/when do you phase out support for it? How do you have new code
interoperate with the old code that is "sensitive" to teletypes? Code
lives a very long time of course.
I once complained that on some Unixes, when at the password prompt,
typing a backspace would screw up the entry of the password. I was told
by old Unix folk that "well listen sonny, back when Unix started there
were these teletypes here and well the backspace key was way far away
and the del key was much closer so if you really want to erase the
previous character while entering your password use del not backspace".
Still other Unix folk insisted that backspace is a legitimate character
for passwords and somebody may actually want to have backspace as part
of their password.
I responded with "Well who the hell is using teletypes anymore" and "If
somebody really wants to use backspace as part of their password should
they be expected to jump through hoops to enter it instead of
inconveniencing everybody else?". This was back in the '80s. Slowly
getty started learning that backspace is supposed to do a backspace...
Change is indeed difficult for some - but not for others.
How do you know removing support for something won't break someone? Do
you actively collect "telemetry" data as to the usage of everthing?
How close to zero is close enough?
How about making the small minority of people with antiquated systems
have it not work for them instead of having it not work for the masses?!?
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
He's not dead, he's electroencephalographically challenged.
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