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Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff
- From: Daniel Jensen <jensend at iname dot com>
- To: cygwin at cygwin dot com
- Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 08:44:50 -0600
- Subject: Re: Installing VIM installs lots of other stuff
Providing the functionality of some obscure, barely used project is not
a stated goal for Cygwin. No one here is interested in adapting
ourselves to people's expectations for the project if the expectations
have nothing to do with the goals of the project.
unxutils is just a bundle of win32 binaries of stuff like grep, find,
less, patch, make, etc. It's just one representative of many people's
attempts to provide basic *nix tools, ranging from every random person
out there hosting a win32 build of grep to the MSYS folks. There's
nothing 'obscure' or 'barely used' about this goal. It's just a more
modest version of the first of Cygwin's 'stated goals.' ("Cygwin is a
collection of tools which provide a Linux look and feel environment for
Yes, cygwin is more than that. That would be the 'on steroids' part.
People who want more tools and more compatibility than they can get from
these simpler bundles of tools are going to need to look at cygwin instead.
But those who need everything and the kitchen sink are, honestly,
frequently not going to be well-served by cygwin anyways.
As I said before, I'm quite aware that there will be plenty of times
when the right thing to do for cygwin as a project will be to go ahead
and enable some more of a package's optional dependencies. Some users'
desire for niche functionality may outweigh other users' desire for a
lighter, simpler cygwin install that doesn't need to be updated every
day. But the concerns of the latter group of users are not simply
irrelevant; there is a tradeoff that needs to be weighed. Also, whenever
it's possible to meet both needs by making extra functionality somehow
available without the hard dependencies, it's worth considering.
Even for the full-fledged distributions this is still a concern. In the
present instance, you'll notice that many distributions have a
vim-minimal package which depends on libc and little else, and even for
the full-fat vim Fedora made an effort not too long ago to remove
dependencies on ruby and python (though not perl) -
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