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Re: native Linux userland in Windows 10
- From: Andrey Repin <anrdaemon at yandex dot ru>
- To: Warren Young <wyml at etr-usa dot com>, cygwin at cygwin dot com
- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:07:58 +0300
- Subject: Re: native Linux userland in Windows 10
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Greetings, Warren Young!
>> I do not think they have really considered the integration issues that Cygwin
>> has mostly solved.
> Since when has Microsoft ever been immune from NIH syndrome?
>> small things like cygpath
> A cygpath like facility is neither useful nor needed in UfW. The programs
> run in their own Ubuntu world, and canât talk to native Windows .exes
> directly. The only access to Windows paths is through /mnt/c and such.
> Within the UfW world, there are only POSIX paths.
Which means, I can't call diff between files on my file manager's two panels?
>> Remember, they have tried basically the same thing at least twice before: the
>> "POSIX Subsystem" of WinNT
> Yes, and this is another such subsystem, with the same powers and limitations.
> The big difference this time is that it isnât a gimped bare-bones POSIX
> subsystem, itâs a gimped Ubuntu subsystem. Ubuntu with severe limitations
> is still highly useful; witness Raspian.
Raspian is an operating system.
Thisâ this, I don't know how to call it, but it's a complete joke.
> A concrete example: All those soul-patch web developers choose to carry Mac
> laptops not just because theyâre the hipster choice, but because Node runs
> much better under OS X than Windows. That proposition wholly changes in
> this UfW world: run node.js in the Ubuntu box and connect to it over the
> OSâs shared network stack from the Windows GUI browser of your choice.
At the same time, you could run any given VM and get much better options and
> Microsoft must be getting mighty sick of seeing rows and rows of Apple
> logos on laptops in the audiences at the Build conference every year. UfW
> is one way theyâre trying to change that.
>> I'll give it a year or two to settle
> I expect it to be quite usable in a matter of months. Microsoft can move
> awfully fast once the fires get lit.
I wouldn't be so hasty. If there's no interfacing between subsystems, it is as
useful as running a VM. Read: useless crap, when it is going to usability.
>> I just hope it does not interfere too much with my Cygwin setup
> UfW will be completely independent of Cygwin.
> Moreâs the pity, because it means youâll be incentivized to choose one or
> the other, likely to Cygwinâs net detriment.
Since it will be independent of Windows as well as Cygwin, the choice is a
With best regards,
Thursday, April 14, 2016 21:54:53
Sorry for my terrible english...