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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: setup.exe (Release 2.876)

On 10/09/2016 19:00, Vince Rice wrote:
On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Thomas Wolff <> wrote:
Am 10.09.2016 um 07:57 schrieb Wayne Davison:
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz
<> wrote:
A new version of Setup, release 2.876, has been uploaded to
The change from a button to a dropdown list for the View seems
like a nice usability improvement,
I disagree with that, because what I want to check first is the
Pending view, to see what's supposed to be updated anyway. This is
more fiddly now than it was. Perhaps separate buttons (radio
buttons) for the views would be best.

There's been some discussion of making "Pending" the default view, or the default view if this isn't a new install.

But this basically boils down to reading the user's mind to guess if they ran setup to update or install a new package.

We can speculate about which of these scenarios is more common and therefore what is a suitable default.

I disagree with that. A dropdown list is exactly the right treatment
for a list o’ things. But, and I realize SHTDI, and that someone is
not me, perhaps a “for the future” item would be a way to specify
which view to start on, either through a command line option or
through a kept choice.

I also agree with OP’s request for a hotkey on View, although
standard behavior of such a hotkey would be to position the cursor in
the dropdown and open it, not automatically choose the “next” item in
the dropdown. I can see the benefit of the latter, though.

The removal of Alt-V shortcut was not intentional, I'll fix that.

But, more importantly (for me, anyway), can we please put the
dropdown in the tab list? Tabbing out of the pick list goes to the
Search text box, as it should. Shift-tabbing from the Search text box
to go back to the Dropdown, however, instead goes to the Cancel
button at the bottom of the page. If we can tab out of it, we should
be able to tab (or shift-tab) back into it.

Hmm... yes, for some reason this control was never marked to be on the list of tabstops, which is a bit more obvious now.

Finally, a question — what is “Picked”? It wasn’t one of the previous
choices, and I can’t figure out what it’s supposed to represent. I
have seven items on that page, all of which say “Keep”, and which in
no way represents all of what I’ve installed. I have nothing on
Pending, having updated in my previous session. (Even then, I only
had one thing to update, but still had the same seven items on
“Picked”.) I thought it might be things that setup “picked” for me
based on the choices I’ve made, but that doesn’t appear to be true,
either, based on the above — not only am I not installing anything,
but all of the items say “Keep”.

This is described in the 2.875 announce mail, and in the tooltip as "Picked: Show installed packages that were selected, not installed as a dependency"

For existing installations, this is initially populated using some guesswork (all non-base installed packages which aren't dependencies), but should be accurately tracked going forward.

"Picked" is an unfortunate bit of leakage of setup's internal terminology. If you have a better idea of what to call this view, I'd be glad to hear it.

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