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Re: Complaining after fair notice of dropping XP support. Was: Not very nice at all.
- From: Brian Inglis <Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca>
- To: cygwin at cygwin dot com
- Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 02:45:32 -0700
- Subject: Re: Complaining after fair notice of dropping XP support. Was: Not very nice at all.
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On 2016-11-10 00:24, Fergus wrote:
1. Use the following version of setup*.exe:
2. Run setup*.exe with the -X option, using the following
Q1 Any ideas of what might be de-railing this simple operation?
See notice on throttling Cygwin Time Machine because of abuse:
advises using only setup on as few required packages as possible
at a time, until abuse stops.
Q2 [... virtual(?);] Could one instead use wget on
Wget honours robots.txt, and LIST has been disabled for Cygwin
Time Machine directories, so you can not even see the
directories, and no FTP download requests other than GET will
Please remember that both the Cygwin and Time Machine
projects are volunteer efforts with few resources.
Each must manage their projects as best they can fit effort
into their time, and may withdraw their efforts and
facilities at any time.
Following the mailing lists/groups and participation earlier
could perhaps have delayed the final implementation to allow
more time for people to plan and execute final downloads.
Complaining after advance notice was given publicly and making
could/should have suggestions after the fact is pointless, and
could demotivate the volunteers to drop the projects, make
access private, or charge for it.
Fairly recently, the owner of gmane.org, that many of us had
used to browse and post to mailing lists via the web, shut
down his web site, although he kept his mail-news gateway up.
How many people over the years expressed appreciation for his
free service to the community? Or were gracious when letting
him know his site had a problem. And thanked him when it was
fixed. Not enough probably!
If you, a bunch of Cygwin XP dependents banded together, or
your company have the space, bandwidth, server(s), money to
provide a public mirror of the final Cygwin XP release from
the Time Machine, you could contact the owner and make a
proposal to offload his site, or upgrade his facilities and
help run them.
Or your company could ask MS and Redhat for XP and Cygwin XP
support quotes if it has the money ;^>
There's an opportunity for some of you XP folks to make
money off the others by providing dedicated repos of
outdated software with support ;^>
If you are working for a company that decided to build products
for XP dependent on Cygwin, maybe it's time to tell them that
Cygwin has reached EOL on the EOL XP.
If you are supporting Cygwin based products on XP, maybe it's
time to tell your customers you can't any longer, as both are
You can download source and binary packages that you need that
predate 2.6 from the Cygwin mirrors, and include all the build
dependencies, starting with cygport.
That will enable you to use setup to download from the Time
Machine only those packages recently updated on Cygwin
mirrors to use 2.6.
You could run setup unattended installing packages one at a
time, in a loop driven by the packages needed from
installed.db, to honour the site owner's request.
You will then be in a position to monitor upstream sources,
so you can download new upstream patches and releases as
they become available, so you have and can apply them when
needed, to rebuild the updated packages.
You could also try upgrading to W10 and working with single
user Ubuntu under WSL ;^>
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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