Consensus about man and doc X11 directory structure

Charles Wilson cygwin@cwilson.fastmail.fm
Wed Oct 12 01:38:00 GMT 2005


Harold L Hunt II wrote:
> Charles Wilson wrote:
>> All of this mucking about with tk and insight requires the concurrence 
>> of -- and oodles of extra work by -- the tk maintainer and the insight 
>> maintainer.  Plus, <speculation alert> given the centrality of the 
>> debugger to the GNUPro product, this sort of change might meet 
>> resistance from the PowersThatBe channeled thru our local Benign 
>> Dictator(s).

> Look, it has been made quite clear to us on several occasions that Red 
> Hat doesn't pay for anyone in their company to do development on Cygwin, 
> so I say, "Who is Red Hat?".  Why do they matter if they aren't 
> contributing to the project and are either holding us hostage to 
> supporting some long-gone product or secretly using our efforts to sell 
> a couple million a year of some product that uses our work?

Well, granted that cgf (current maintainer of tk and insight IIRC) no 
longer works for Red Hat, so perhaps their needs are no longer as 
important to him as they once were.

OTOH, *personally*, I don't want the debugger to require X, for speed 
issues if nothing else.  However, that's really cgf's decision so...

> How many people feel the same way when this argument about supporting 
> Insight via Win32 Tk comes up?
> 
> ...  but I would
> just like to know how Red Hat gets to make decisions in this community 
> that seems to get very little investment from them.

I *said* it was speculation, and *speculated* that "pressure" might be 
applied -- not that decisions would be imposed -- by RH.  Given 
Corinna's post, it seems that my speculation was (A) wrong (B) 
out-of-date, and (C) in all other ways immaterial.

So we can drop the "WWRHD?" (What Would Red Hat Do?) from this thread, 
and move on to "what is the best(*) thing for the cygwin open-source 
community" in this regard?

(*) where the definition of "best" is in the eye of the beholder: least 
disruptive? Most theoretically self-consistent? Provides path future 
growth/enhancement? etc...

--
Chuck



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