ANNOUNCE: mrxvt - a tabbed rxvt hack for Win32 (in development)

Mon Nov 4 12:05:00 GMT 2002

Thanks for the info. The reason I have no real need to subscribe to the 
list is plain and simple - I can browse through the mailing-list 
archives and keep up with things every month or so, using any browser I 
may have nearby and without any special configurations, accounts, 
whatever. ;)

(I like things simple, and flooding my mailbox with cygwin, cygwin-xfree 
and around a dozen SourceForge projects I deal with daily is definetly 
_not_ simple, so I just keep a set of bookmarks to the Web archives...)

As for screen, I've been trying it myself for a year now - I've compiled 
practically every new revision that pops up on freshmeat.net, with more 
or less the same results as Rafael - the screen size remains fixed, 
which I believe (from some stracing around) to be a termcap issue, and 
therefore one of the most arcane aspects of Unix I have studiously 
avoided thus far - and believe me, it's taken quite an effort to avoid 
dealing with termcap since my vt220 days :)

W11 is an application-level mapping of X11 primitives to Win32 that does 
some pretty arcane things in terms of window management. I'm having some 
issues with it, even when dealing with rxvt as a standalone app:

- it creates a _separate_ Win32 window class for every rxvt (of the form 
rxvt<hex_thread_id>) which is not a very "clean" Win32 approach, even 
though it works.
- it does not allow for "clean" termination of rxvts (I'm one of those 
afflicted with the "hung rxvts" bug when I shutdown Windows)
- I cannot re-build rxvt on my setup, which is very heavily customized. 
I might get myself a temporary "clean" machine to reinstall Cygwin and 
rebuild, but I tend to keep to my laptop.

Nevertheless, if someone were brave enough to implement something like 
what I'm doing on top of "plain" X11, it might be ported to W11 like 
rxvt was, and I could discard my (still rather flaky) VB hack.

I remember seeing "alternative" terminals five or so years back (back in 
my SunOS days), but most of them seem to be extinct or had their 
features merged into rxvt. If someone knows of a tabbed X11 terminal 
(other than konsole and gterm, which use a _lot_ of extra stuff) that 
uses only vanilla X11 and implements tabs, let me know. I'll probably 
take a look at porting it to Cygwin rather than pursue this avenue.

Thanks,

Rui Carmo

Soren Andersen wrote:

> [posted and mailed -- sorry, no Subject: in 1st sending, this is
> re-sent to Rui and the Cygwin List]
> Re: ANNOUNCE: mrxvt - a tabbed rxvt hack for Win32 (in development)
> On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:29:36, Rui Carmo  wrote:
>
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I've been hacking together a "multiple" rxvt (essentially a tabbed
> >window holder that lets you switch between multiple rxvt windows).
>
>
> Sounds REAL good.
>
>
> >The project page is at
> >
> >http://na-cama.com/rcarmo/index.php/Projects/mrxvt
> >
> >And even though it is not available (yet), I'd like to have some
> >feedback on it (essentially food for thought). I'd also like to know
> >if anywone is working on:
> >
> >- porting screen to Cygwin (it compiles great, but installation needs
> >a lot of tweaking)
> >- a "full" tabbed terminal that runs in Win32 (using W11, like rxvt).
> >
>
>
> There's been discussion of that recently on the Cygwin List. See the
> bottom of this msg for a pasted copy of the first article i have in that
> thread.
>
> BTW I do not know what "W11" is. Maybe most rxvt users do, I have only
> recently been using rxvt sometimes.
>
> Also please note this recommendation re:
>
> >Please reply to me directly, since I am not subscribed to the list (my
> >mail traffic simply cannot cope with another mailing-list...)
>
>
> IMHO you should be reading (subscribed to) the Cygwin List, Rui. For one
> thing it is of course a breach of standard List netiquette to ask for
> help or post a proposal for discussion and then ask for off-list replies.
> Netiquette aside, there's a practical reason. Suppose, as could very well
> happen, that in 3 weeks somebody reads this List and comes across your
> message, and this someone knows something that might help you or might
> pertain to your project. They might even know a little thing that will
> help you break through a deadlock you find yourself in. But this person
> is busy and thinks to themselves "I don't know who Rui has heard from
> [off-List], probably he's got all the input he needs by now, I won't
> answer this...". You lose.
>
> I understand your problem with List traffic, I have long struggled with
> same. I have the solution for you. Go to www.gmane.org (the Gmane
> project) and set up Gmane server in your favorite NNTP news reader
> software. Subscribe to the Cygwin List as one of the Newsgroups
> (psuedo-newsgroups we might say, actually) once you have downloaded the
> long list of available ng's. Pay careful attention to Gmane FAQs and
> instructions. Set your newsreader if possible to use a custom header
> field "Archive:" with value "encrypt" particularly. (On Windows, "Xnews"
> does fine). This protects your email address from spammer harvesting; you
> MUST use your valid, unmunged email addy to post to Gmane ng's (contrary
> to popular practice on open USENET ng's).
>
> IMHO any project which brings more powerful or stable, and flexible
> terminal - console choices to Cygwin can add significant value to Cygwin.
> Your project sounds like it has good potential. I hope you get the help
> you need from wherever, and I hope you follow my recommendation and
> subscribe to the Cygwin List using Gmane so that everyone here can follow
> your progress and learn if they care to.
>
>    Regards,
>     Soren A
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rafael Kitover"
> Newsgroups: gmane.os.cygwin
> Subject: Screen for cygwin
> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:40:27 -0700
> Message-ID: <000101c27b7c$0ebd3fc0$b900a8c0@CAELUM>
>
> >My version of screen for cygwin, which I actually finished putting
> >together a month ago is here:
> >
> >http://www.io.com/~rkitover/screen-3.9.13.tar.gz
> >
> >It will configure and compile on cygwin with no tweaking. It will
> >support detach and attach, however the terminal size issue is still
> >there and I haven't managed to find a workaround. I tried to get these
> >changes merged upstream but haven't received any sort of response yet. I
> >probably need to make a cleaner patch. For now if you're interested in
> >screen please feel free to use this!
> >
> >--
> >Rafael
>
>
>

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