Problem with "None" Group on Non-Domain Members

Chris J. Breisch chris.ml@breisch.org
Mon May 5 16:17:00 GMT 2014


Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On May  5 11:23, Chris J. Breisch wrote:
>> In both cases, I am logging on to the machine with a "Microsoft
>> Account": http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/account/default.aspx
>
> Hmm, maybe that's the problem.  This "Microsoft Account" stuff might
> influence how the underlying OS handles permissions.  I would never
> touch this stuff ;)

I don't blame you. And I don't think you can use them on a machine 
that's a member of a domain, but I could be mistaken there. They're 
local accounts, but definitely with a twist. I was pleasantly surprised 
that ssh didn't choke on them, but I didn't really suspect it as a root 
cause for file permission issues, or I would have mentioned that in my 
very first message.

>
> For testing you could try to create a normal local account, add it to
> /etc/passwd and run the above under this account.  If it behaves
> differently (correct, that is), it's a something weird with these MS
> accounts.  But then again, I wouldn't know how to "fix" this, other
> than to suggest to use a normal account instead.

Bingo. I had just such an account already. It works as expected, i.e. 
correctly.

Could we "fix" it by allowing the user to set their default group? As I 
said in my original message, changing the group from None to Users in 
/etc/passwd solved my problems.

Of course, if we don't really understand these accounts, then we don't 
know why that solved my problem, or if the same thing would work for 
someone else. Hmmm. Never mind.

> Nah, at this point we really don't know why this happens on your machine
> and it could easily be somebody elses fault.
>
> An strace of `chmod 400 bar' might sched some light on this issue, but I
> have a gut feeling the underlying WIndows call will not even return an
> error code...

Attached. Your gut seems to be working today...


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Chris J. Breisch
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